2013 On Feb 17, 2013
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On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:08 PM, Prasad <pras...@gmail.com> wrote:
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To the VND council members,
Finally yesterday 16 Feb 2013, under the guidelines of VND, DC Council and local VND officers met with all the established yogis in Washington DC. Meeting agenda was if DC is going to continue with Sahaja Meditation path or back to Sahaja Yoga.
Because of the ongoing confusion, since September we have been asking Council to have this discussion with the established yogis on the very sole point “Sahaja yoga or Sahaja Meditation”. We never had a separate open discussion like this before with the whole collective, as Council labeled this collective issue as my personal issue.
Meeting discussion starts with the line by some ladies, Haritha and Prasad keep us on sending emails to the collective which creates unrest among Sahajayogis.
What wrong emails I have sent?
· In 2012, when Prasad co-ordinated more than 60 plus event, every event generates 2-3 email (invite, update, follow-up), so that is 100-150 plus emails coming from just one yogi, Prasad.
· In last 6 months, my request to discuss these thorny issues (Sahajayoga or SM) went unheard, and which I emailed to the collective.
· Other emails were about confusion of Sahaja Meditation, and forwarded emails of Adrian
Why I am being told no more emails. If my email inspires some sahajayogis, while some feel guilty and some feel angry, some feel jealous, who is to be blamed for this personal reaction. Communication for Divine’s work has to be respected. I have never send any emails related to my personal issues.
Even then this collective matter is labeled as Prasad & Haritha’s personal issue. Everybody is aware that Sahajayoga is everyone’s responsibility.
So in the beginning of the yesterday’s discussion, one VND officer hubby states that except Prasad everyone talk, so my wife Haritha continues to speak for Sahajayoga. As the meeting progressed, both Sahajayoga supporter and Sahaja Meditation supporter provided their convincing examples.
And then from all corners, people were yelling at Haritha, many all at once and labels of our Personal problems were being hurdled at us from all directions mostly Council and council fans {Patricia, Preeti Raj, Rosanna (council member roger’s wife), Zoreh Marchitelli, Pratima Joshi).
All the maryadas of being a Sahajayogi were crossed, at one point around 10 people started shouting at Haritha. No one was ready to hear from us, total chaos. Neither the council nor the VND officer tried to calm down the situation. In that tense moment, we had no options, but to just WALK-OUT. So we both walked out from that meeting, some tried to prevent us from going out.
By Shri.Mataji grace one yogini (Elena Agarwal) walked with us and consoled us. We again came back to the meeting. Our discussion continued, yogis were coming to some common grounds.
Few weeks ago we even invited our local council and VND officers for dinner just to have a simple get-together. But council and VND were again hell-bent to make this as my personal issues and not want to discuss in the collective.
Why Prasad and Haritha should take this aggression from council fans or Sahaja Meditation supporters? It was a clear intimidation to us. Why we are being told not to post on US yogis and local groups?
Again the root cause was ‘Sahaja Meditation’, which we tried to address as a collective for the first time. And if demanding ‘Sahajayoga back’ is our personal agenda then let it be. Atleast now I know who shares the same passion like me.
We condemn all these ladies (council groups) who were shouting at us during the whole discussion.
We condemn these groups created by only this council. DC never had this severe groupism problem.
We condemn the council & local VND officers for not stopping this open group bullying to Haritha and Prasad. And this is very upsetting to me.
We are grateful to Anurag Agarwal and Elena who stood by us and those who prayed for us.
For more information, please contact Prasad Salunkhe Email: @gmail.com
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Here is the email below form Anurag baiyya, who acknowledged all shouting and chaos at the meeting.
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Dear Prasad and Haritha,
It is indeed quite sad that things started out the way that they did at the meeting. I have been with this collective since it was just couple of us and seen it grow to where it is now. There were plenty of personal differences and ups and downs but we never reached this scale as was demostrated in the meeting. You are indeed free to express your opinions as is everybody. Since you have expressed the way you saw things that day, I would like to express the way I saw it too and the only reason being that you mentioned my name in your email else I have stayed away from posting on this open forum till now. I guess most of the yogis in dc have never seen very directed emails in the past as they have been seeing from you recently so their frustration and anger built up and came out. It was bound to come out today or tomorrow. There are 2 issues here. One is of course the larger issue of Sahaja Yoga and Sahaja Meditation, the second is how you feel you have been treated with regards to this issue or any other work you are doing here.
While it is true that the meeting started on a bad note and a lot of people mistreated you, I also thought that we did make progress that day and were eventually able to talk to each other collectively or at least made that decision that we will facilitate more open discussions in the future so issues get resolved quickly. Yes, Elena did try to pacify you and bring you back to the discussion and at one time, I said something in support of you when I felt the discussion was going one sided. To that effect, I supported couple of other people too and expressed anger at some as well without regards to whether it was Sahaja Yoga or Sahaja Meditation they were supporting. Also I do not think that all the yogis who went after you are supportive of Sahaja Meditation or Sahaja Yoga only, and they were just upset with your directed emails. It seems to me that here in dc, most of the yogis are pretty easy going about it. Please try to understand that all I wanted that day was the collective to be able to talk to each other. As I explained in the meeting as well, I did not give support to you for sending the type of emails you are posting locally or nationally but I did not say against it too if that's my only fault. It's your discretion so you are free to do what you like. As far as the core issue is concerned, as I have said before whatever lands up breaking the collective is more destructive than anything else. If there is no love under the banner, then it will not make much difference either way.
The meeting concluded with us using Sahaja Yoga Meditation and the approach being whatever the meeting coordinator sees fit based on where the meeting is being held or the audience. It also concluded with no more nasty emails but to bring up issues in collective meetings (open discussion forums) which we will hold regularly. It certainly did not say that you cannot post any more emails. However, you are still free to post whatever you see fit and I will continue to work with anybody here (that includes you) who wants to build a stronger, loving and deeper collective. There are a lot of yogis around the world who have taken personal blows sometimes for a cause and sometimes without a cause. You have done a lot of work here in dc and your effort has always been appreciated and continue to be appreciated. Please find it in your heart to look past the personal blows that you have received and work together for a greater cause. King Shibi gave up his body to save a pigeon and King Harishchandra for no fault of his faced terrible calamity on himself and his family. Both were not distressed and did not complain about the circumstances they were put in but calmly accepted the situation they were presented with. Please rise up to that level as you are capable of, that is the true mark of greatness.
Jai Shri Mataji !
Anurag Agarwal
Washington DC Collective
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See below, Here again Walter jumps and he agrees that they shouted, for lie? What lie? Where did we lie? As per him we lied about US collective in google groups?
The meeting was for collective discussion of Sahaja Yoga and Sahaja Meditation, which one to use,
People shouted with anger only one yogini helped us. In below email Walter is changing truth. Anurag email's clearly states that the whole group were shouting on us. We were just both of us, we did not raise of our voice.
In fact we know in our meditation what is going to happen that is why we were in meditative mood. When they attacked all of them once, suddenly a Bandhan came on us and we did not see or hear anything it was complete joy with all cool breeze surrounding both of us.
The meeting was for collective discussion of Sahaja Yoga and Sahaja Meditation, which one to use,
People shouted with anger only one yogini helped us. In below email Walter is changing truth. Anurag email's clearly states that the whole group were shouting on us. We were just both of us, we did not raise of our voice.
In fact we know in our meditation what is going to happen that is why we were in meditative mood. When they attacked all of them once, suddenly a Bandhan came on us and we did not see or hear anything it was complete joy with all cool breeze surrounding both of us.
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Dear yogis,
I feel I have to respond to Prasad's email because I was one of the yogis calling for the meeting and he strongly mis-represented what happened at this meeting.
I also feel that we have to be careful not to fall pray to negativity at this challenging time. Like Priyanka, Angi and others have said, we need to meditate and clear ourselves regularly.
There are some very valuable and important issues being raised, such as how we present Sahaja Yoga to the public, our VND bylaws and the VND selection process. All of these things need to be talked about openly as they are the foundation of future generations. But we also have to be aware that negativity, which only wants to divide us and wants to destroy the work of Shri Mataji will try to interfere and use our discussion for its own purpose.
Prasad,
Before I said that I was angry because I do agree with you on the Sahaja Meditation point but I felt your aggressive emails did more harm to this important issue than help. Now I am not angry at you anymore, I just pray to Shri Mataji that she will help you - and that she will help us repair the pain that you have caused to our collective.
I will leave it to others to further correct your defamation of the DC collective on the USA email forum. I just would like to state some facts here:
1) Your open discussion with the DC council started with emails to the council on November 12 and November 16 - which where harshly critical of the council but did not mention Sahaja Meditation at any point. Instead they attacked the council over Friday Joy tour music programs, which in your opinion resulted in less support of your realization programs.
2) You attacked the DC council and individual VND members from the DC collective by name on USA yogis. You also attacked me on USA yogis, even though I agree with you on restoring the Sahaja Yoga name in our collective and websites.
3) The meeting last Saturday was a response to emails from Amit and me to restore the name of the local DC website to Sahaja Yoga Meditation. It was also called to exchange experiences of our local programs conducted in the name of Sahaja Yoga and Sahaja Meditation.
4) Sahaja Yogis who at the meeting wanted you to stop sending aggressive emails were both supporters of the "Sahaja Yoga" and "Sahaja Meditation" name for our meetings. The reason yogis were "shouting" at Haritha at one point of the meeting was because Haritha said they should stop making it "personal", when you both had personally (by name) attacked them. This had nothing to do with Sahaja Yoga or Sahaja Meditation. We basically had agreed regarding Sahaja Yoga Meditation at this point of the meeting.
5) When yogis wanted to stop you from walking out it was because they cared about you, not because they were bullying you.
6) Completely independently of your issues with the council and VND, in the meeting it was collectively decided to change the name of our local website back to Sahaja Yoga Meditation.
I simply cannot understand how you can say that you are bullied by the DC collective because you support Sahaja Yoga, when actually maybe half of the collective supports the Sahaja Yoga name but several of us repeatedly asked/begged you to stop being so aggressive?
In your email you are condemning my DC Sahaja Yogi family members by name. When has Shri Mataji ever given us permission to do this? I do not condemn you but I pray to Shri Mataji that She showers Her love on you and make you understand the love of those who care for you.
Walter
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Jai Shri Mataji,
I participated in DC meeting through phone conference and I heard Yogini's yelling at Haritha and shouting "how dare you post on usayogis group", this is created by you, this is your personal problems and you started this, etc.
Prasad sends emails to the collective regarding divine work not at all personal emails.
Regards,
Neelima.
On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:08 PM, Prasad <pras...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Link to original post in USAyogis groups this email sent on Feb, 18th 2013
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/usayogis/USAYogis$3A$20Obstacles$20$26$20threats$20for$20being$20a$20Sahajayoga$20supporter$20in$20DC%7Csort:date/usayogis/nUSHEHHR9-E/nRHrw2Wes7cJ
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