Confrontation with John Noyce

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 9:57:47 PM UTC-5, Prasad Salunkhe wrote:

The intent of our previous reply was to show your statement is wrong about NIPC action.

You just diverted the topic and did not answer our question.

What is your problem with us? On which level you took the action? Is it vibrational level? Let us know we will correct.

You are the one who informed NIPC and made us the target. We did not make you a target.

For last 5 years we have been silently doing Mother's work. You dragged us in. 

You are giving wrong info that we are out of collective for 7-8 years.

You are the one, classifying Maha Yoga as a BRAND in all groups.

You have plenty of time to spy on us & bother us and indulge in US Sahaj affairs.  

You dare to compare us with Mr.Jagbir aka.Mr.Kalki in Africa. Where is the wisdom?

Whenever people throw hatred comments on us, you liked them. 

Time spent by us in dealing with NIPC & answering google groups can be more wisely used in looking for more events to give realization.

Only for this NIPC action we had to join all groups. 

This is complete waste of our time, energy and attention, and it all started with YOU.

If you are busy with Australian issues why are you interfering in US affairs?

Jai Shri Mataji

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On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:53:25 PM UTC-5, John Noyce wrote:

Dear Haritha

I too have been on the receiving end of NIPC actions.

Its frustrating but there's nothing ultimately that can be done about it. 

Kindly note that I'm not part of NIPC, and have had some fierce interactions with them over the years. 

My last skirmish with the NIPC was over the massive editing of the forthcoming 8th edition of the SY Mantra book.

I resigned from their Publications Committee in protest.

If you need a target for your ongoing fight, I'm not it.

The situation in Australia is as bad, and possibly worse, than the situation in North America.

I prefer to conserve my energies for the ongoing aggro Down Under.

Thats it from me.  

John

On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 12:30 PM Haritha Prasad <haritha...@gmail.com> wrote:

One of the statement from John Noyce about NIPC, "unintended consequence of their take downs"

But that is not true, After first strike, I have emailed (below is the email that I sent to NIPC) them asking not to make more strikes. I told them I will delete if they don't want, after my email they made more strikes, even they used Attorney Cowan Liebowitz to make more copyright strikes,  and procured all legal documents to sue Maha Yoga channel, if needed. This is a spiritual organization not a legal organization.

If NIPC's intention is fair and caring about other Sahajayogis, they would have informed us before striking or at least they would have accepted my request.

Even non yogis copyright holders accept such requests, respect other channels and allow them to remove. They won't sue or make more strike to close the channel without giving enough warnings and time to rectify.  In our case we are not going illegally, Shri Mataji has given us full freedom and right. We didn't make any money on videos. 

They do not even care to respond to fellow brother and sister, they are intentionally giving deep center heart catch. I have not seen any non-yogi doing like this. This is very unfortunate that so called Sahajayogis can do like this. They choose this video when they made initial strike -"920830 Sahajayogis harm Sahajayoga, very tittle space in the Heavens " 

They do not care that 5K seekers were using that channel and american seekers use this channel to meditate on YouTube live. 

They don't need to answer me but they are definitely answerable to Shri Mataji.

Based on their behavior so far, this is an intentional act. And they are hell-bent on destroying us.

With John's above quote, it seems he is trying to cover-up NIPC actions. And why? He is aware of all NIPC actions, as he was copied on my below email.

See below: John's view on Maha Yoga and us on FB

Disha Bhatnagar Menon May 30, 2017 post below is John Noyce comment

John Noyce as I understand it, this is a non-conformist group in Washington, DC.

Based on my observations on his comments/ posts from 2013, He always opposed us whenever he got chance.

I do not understand what is his problem with us.

Below is the email that I sent to NIPC after first strike.

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From: Haritha Prasad <
Date: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: SAHAJA YOGA - MAHA YOGA YOUTUBE CHANNEL UNDER NIPC THREAT !
To: <halbertolli>
Cc: <halbertolli>, <borishanreich>, <dahernv>, <johnnoyce>, <alanpereira>, <wadijm>, Radosław Ośka (

Dear brother, Horacio, Jai Shri Mataji

For not obeying VND guidelines on Sahaja Meditation, we have faced outcast in the DC collectivity. For the sake of Sahaja Yoga, we have silently accepted our outcast and moved on to continue working for our Mother.  We do not want that to be repeated online too, please help us to continue working for our Mother.

Please provide the info on copy right strikes. If NIPC wants to remove any video or videos, instead of making a copy right strike, please let us know we will remove them. 

If Maha Yoga channel gets more strikes, it will be closed by YouTube. Seekers in America need that channel, as many new Yogis attend you tube live every week. Also, that channel is linked with www.TheMahaYoga.org, which we use for federal, corporate, community and other public programs.

Please let me know if you need any further information

We appreciate your support and help

Jai Shri Mataji

Haritha Salunkhe

on behalf Maha Yoga you tube team

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On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:00:24 PM UTC-5, Adrian Vasiu wrote:

Dear Uncle John, 

To the below question I would like to add a second question:

Could you please share with us the e-mail of yours to NIPC dated April 9, 2016? 

It would help Prasad and Haritha to formulate their reply to NIPC. I am very sure that NV/NIPC could help you out to trace the original e-mail immediately,  just in case you cannot locate that fast on your computer/laptop.

We thank you in advance for your reply to these two queries? 

Jay Shri Mataji

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 5:11 PM Zhenia_ILoveCaramelizedOnionsHowAboutYou <epo...@gmail.com> wrote:

John, just wondering: did you ever attempt to approach Haritha and Prasad with your concerns prior to filing the complaint? 

Thank you.
zhenia

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 3:54:25 PM UTC-6, johnnoyceau wrote:

For the record, the Australian Sahaja yogi  mentioned in the NIPC letter was me.  I sent a brief email to the NIPC on April 9, 2016 expressing concern about the MahaYoga branding of Shri Mataji's videos on youtube.

Its curious that it took two and a half years to consider and reach a decision.  

Its good that NIPC recognised that they needed to give their reasons in writing, and also that they recognised that the deletion of the MahaYoga youtube account was an unintended consequence of their takedowns, and they needed to offer to help rectify that.

John

On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 3:55 AM Adrian Vasiu <adrianv...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,

Could we all please return to focus on, `Is there anything we could do collectively, i.e., in the way desired by Angi Didi, to help with the Maha Yoga situation?' Haritha's post was, of course, to inform us, but, I guess, also to get some help -- and less to discuss the history of CEL or to compare USA and Europe.

1. Does anyone know who is the Australian Sahaja Yogi is and why and what matters did he bring to the attention of NIPC?

2. Haritha, would it be possible to have clear-cut samples on what "brand" Maha Yoga used? You could use it as a sample on some new video (file or link) which is not related to talks of Shri Mataji.

3. Haritha, would it be possible to have a factual and detailed description with dates of: (a) all communications initiated by NV before striking the Maha Yoga channel, and (b) all communications and strikes initiated by NV since the very first strike (inclusive)?

4. Could we identify other "brands" used on youtube and vimeo accounts and which are either not known to or are tolerated by or possible even supported by NIPC?

5. Could we please identify other youtube and vimeo accounts to which "hundreds of videos of Shri Mataji were uploaded in their entirety," besides youtube and vimeo accounts hosted by the two platforms mentioned by NV (NirmalaVidya.org and on Amruta.org)?

Thank you.

Jay Shri Mataji!

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 2:01 PM Haritha Prasad <haritha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Here is the response from NIPC, 

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Jai Shri Mataji

Dear Maha Yoga members

As you are aware action has been taken concerning the violation of Shri Mataji's Intellectual Property rights which has resulted in the removal of Shri Mataji's talks from the Maha Yoga youtube channel. This has nothing to do with the Sahaja Meditation and Sahaja Yoga debate in America. It is an Australian Sahaja Yogi that brought this matter to our attention. We will also assist you in putting your youtube channel back online but without the library of Shri Mataji's talks.

Before we comment further, it is important to affirm the inalienable right of every Sahaja Yogi to spread and practice Sahaja Yoga freely. It is impossible to do this without having access to the full and authentic knowledge of Shri Mataji, just as She shared it with us. For this reason all of Shri Mataji's talks and videos are available to everyone in the world at every hour of every day on NirmalaVidya.org and on Amruta.org. In addition, Shri Mataji's talks and videos are in the possession of Sahaja Yogis all over the world and this is the way it should be.

This does not mean however that anything can be posted anywhere by anyone at any time.

Action has been taken concerning the videos of Shri Mataji posted on the Maha Yoga channel for the following reasons:

• the Maha Yoga channel put its "brand" of Maha Yoga on all of the videos of Shri Mataj. This is inappropriate. These videos do not belong to Maha Yoga channel or association and nor should videos or audios of Shri Mataji be associated with any type of "brand". 
• hundreds of videos of Shri Mataji were uploaded in their entirety to the Maha Yoga channel. This poses legal issues and practical issues as potentially hundreds of youtube channels could each post "their own" hundreds of talks of Shri Mataji. A link to a video of Shri Mataji can be created by anyone which leads to the above mentioned internet sites using the same youtube channel and on which all of Shri Mataji's talks are uploaded;

Lastly, we strongly urge you to engage again with the larger collectivity in the America. Shri Mataji spread Sahaja Yoga not Maha Yoga. If you want to avoid using Sahaja Yoga or Sahaja Meditation in order to approach Corporations or government bodies please be aware that Shri Mataji authorised Sahaja Yogis to give realisation through the Center for Evolutionary Learning (CEL).

We do express our reservations about the use of Maha Yoga to spread what is in fact, Sahaja Yoga, but this is more a matter for you to sort out with the collectivity in America. Please give us the name of a Sahaja Yogi we can work with to get your youtube channel running again.

We await the name of this Sahaja Yogi and in the meantime will not be engaging in a back and forth by email.

With sincere respect,

Nirmala Vidya llc

c/o Nirmal Intellectual Property Corp.

  

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